I’ve been so excited to post this piece on Zion. So much has to come together and now as I publish it, I feel peace. I cannot think of a better way to describe the peace other than a peace that is the opposite of stupor, doubt and wanting something that isn’t there. This was done by me as I was moved by the Spirit. God can only do so much with me and my beliefs that are incongruent with His own, but the principle and message of this are true. Hopefully it will improve with others input.

But to preface this, it has become very apparent that one issue must be confronted. We all have false beliefs and ideas that stop us from being open to the Spirit. In my mission, there was a lady we taught who was a Jehovah’s Witness. They hold the Bible as the infallible truth and the only way to decide anything. Nothing else matters. She gave us a one time chance to teach a lesson. We did it entirely from the Bible and didn’t ask her to follow the Spirit or living prophets. After that, it was enough and she opened up to the Spirit and message of modern day revelation. For most members, they hold that whatever the current prophet says is the final word. You need to understand the following, as Zomarah commented on my last post, “The thing is that true revelations don’t contradict. Prophets have no need to “trump” another one because the message of true prophets is the same.” Revelation cannot contradict true past revelations. Eternal principles are eternal principles. So you must decide if you want to follow the Spirit or not give God a chance to tell you what is true, by blindly holding on to whatever the latest prophet shares as infallible truth all day everyday.

On to the post…

So I’m going to search the Book of Commandments, aka, D&C and fill you in on what I find.

2 Nephi 28:21

21 And others will he pacify, and lull them away into carnal security, that they will say: All is well in Zion; yea, Zion prospereth, all is well–and thus the devil cheateth their souls, and leadeth them away carefully down to hell.

Nephi saw our day, both the good and the bad. He’s calling us out. We say, “Well, we are establishing Zion in our homes, doing FHE and going to church on Sundays and reading the scriptures in the morning as a family, put the computer in a public area, don’t dress like we’re going to the beach at Sunday Meetings and we get the Ensign every month. We have a living prophet that speaks to us at general conference!” Ya, we are doing those things and Zion is not well. So we’re doing it wrong. Do you want to know what is wrong?

If you don’t close the tab on this page and go back to singing and living by the hymn, “All is Well” unti you gorget that something might be amiss.

Well you stuck around…thank you.

“We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth. . . Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and having ears, hear not. . .? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth.”
—Patrick Henry, meeting at St. John’s church, March 23, 1775 (source)

Here’s a blog where they are good people, trying to do the right thing, but the truth is right around them and they are too busy trying to support their own ideas, rather than asking what is wrong and what are we missing. I get stuff wrong all the time. I grow and learn and change. I’m okay with making mistakes, because I am open to learning and seeking truth. I know if I listen to God and try, eventually the Lord will make everything known to me.

The first part of this post is what my knowledge of Zion was at the middle of September. Then I did some exploring, searching the scriptures, books and internet browsing on slow days at work. It should be an interesting contrast.

Let’s establish what is Zion. According to the Bible Dictionary…just kidding.

This post isn’t going to be anything groundbreaking or visionary for anyone who has studied much on Zion. I think it will be eye opening and alarming for most who read it and have never thought much of Zion or never paid attention when they read most of the 200 or so scriptures in Doctrine and Covenants about it. My goal is to detail my experience and journey so others can break down their walls and pay attention to what God wants to teach them. This is going to be a basic intro that everyone should know but almost no one does. This is super important given that Joseph Smith said, ““We ought to have the building up of Zion as our greatest object.” We can’t do that unless we know what, where and when Zion is. I hope readers will realize that something is amiss and ironically, not “all is well” in Zion.

I was born and raised LDS, went on a mission, went to Utah to get married and sealed in the temple, went to college and popped out some kids (well my wife did the popping). A pretty typical experience. So my knowledge and experience are probably similar to what most members have. I don’t blame anyone but myself for my ignorance. I have had the opportunities to learn more. Never the less, it is crazy that the general membership is ignorant of such an important principle. And they are ignorant. Everyone I have spoken with knows very little and what they do say….well, it’s way off.

When I think of Zion, I think of the religious aspects as well as a few others.

  • The Matrix movies where the humans have a colony called Zion (Zi-Ahn). Where there is a tough general who also is in the movie The Other Side of Heaven.
  • Lauren Hill’s song Zion, which is a really good one that I think almost everyone will like.
  • The City of Enoch that was taken to heaven.
  • A city in the Midwest, in Jackson County, MO. Where the early Mormons established a town or round about there. A place they left and would some day be led back to. I think of a quote attributed to maybe Gordon Hinckley, that goes something like this: “We came across the plains in hand carts, how do you know we won’t return in hand carts?” Then when we get there and…well, I never put much thought or talked much about that part.
  • Also, that we no longer gather to Zion, that everyone needs to stay in theirown lands and build Zion there. But then what is your own land? I am from the Pacific Northwest, so do I just stay up here and hang out in Cascadia? Because I have lived in Jersey, Florida and Utah. Moving to Florida is far and would be closer for someone from Venezuela moving to Florida. So how does that work? Especially since when the D&C was made, the nations were different than they are now.
  • Then Jesus would come back there at the second coming. I was always a little confused because he is supposed to appear at the Mount of Olives when the whole world is at war and split the mount in half. Then I guess He teleports or takes a Delta flight, coach of course, to Jackson County to rule during the millennium.

Now let’s take a look at what Google has for anyone who wants to take a casual search on the web:

  • Zion National Park, which is also referred to as God’s Country.
  • Zion Preparatory Academy, some school.
  • Zion’s Bank.
  • A wiki Zion page with links to different Zion pages in Wikipedia.
  • A wiki Zion (Latter Day Saints) page.
  • Youtube video of Lauren Hill’s Zion…bam, see I knew what I was talking about.
  • Now Wikipedia gives a decent intro on its page, but Doctrine and Covenants contains a command from the Lord in the first section:

37 Search these commandments, for they are true and faithful, and the prophecies and promises which are in them shall all be fulfilled.

Now here’s what I’ve learned. I can’t get into the nitty gritty in one post that would be super long or no one would want to read it unless their internet went out and it was the only thing they could read. So here is an intro laying out the purpose, place, time and establishment of Zion.

1) Purpose

Joseph Smith, D.H.C 2:52

Take away the Book of Mormon and the revelations, and where is our religion? We have none; for without Zion and a place of deliverance, we must fall; because the time is near when the sun will be darkened and the moon turn to blood and the stars fall from heaven, and the earth to reel to and fro. Then, if this is the case, and if we are not sanctified and gather to the place God has appointed, with all our former professions and our great love for the Bible, we must fall; we cannot stand; we cannot be saved; for God will gather out his Saints from the Gentiles and then comes desolation and destruction. and non can escape except the pure in heart who are gathered.

Tons of Mormons on Facebook are posting: Mormons are Christians. Usually attached with a video or explanatory paragraph. Really? Christians? Well, what does the Bible say about those that believe in Christ?

Mark 16

17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them: they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

I don’t know about you, but I have never seen someone cast out a devil, it’s been over 10 years since I’ve seen someone speak in tongues, never take up a serpent (unless you count Jake the Snake), drink deadly things (in fact, half my mission including the mission president got super sick from the food at a conference), and it’s been about ten years since I’ve seen someone lay their hands on someone to recover them.

 Jake “the Christian” Snake and some unbeliever

Why is there a major lack “of the manifestations of the Spirit?

“In your temporal things you shall be equal, and this not grudgingly, otherwise the abundance of the manifestations of the Spirit shall be withheld” (D&C 70:14; see also D&C 49:2078:5–7).

Basically, we can’t be saints; we can’t be who we are supposed to be unless we are in Zion, living the law of consecration. Many people have covenanted to do so as they went through a temple, but don’t live up to those covenants made that day.

D&C 85

3 It is contrary to the will and commandment of God that those who receive not their inheritance by consecration, agreeable to his law, which he has given, that he may tithe his people, to prepare them against the day of vengeance and burning, should have their names enrolled with the people of God.

So consecrate and inheritance, THEN tithe. Have you consecrated and received your inheritance? I haven’t. I don’t know anyone who has. Of course I don’t know everything about everyone I know. But I have a pretty good idea. This in no way is me saying don’t pay your tithing, I’m saying that what you think you are doing is not what it is. You are just making some offering that you figure is 10% of most likely your income. Probaly, like me a year or so ago, you’ve never thought about inheritance. These are all together. For a four post series on tithing or a post with a great diagram that I want to show, but it would be good for you to become familiar with their sites.

If you don’t live the law of consecration, then you are not equal in all things temporal, and then the manifestations of the Spirit will be absent, if those are absent then there will be nothing indicating someone is a true believer. So basically you can say you are a Christian and believe in Jesus, but unless those signs are following you, then according to the Bible, you aren’t. Don’t worry, that means most people calling you a cult, aren’t Christians either, but if that makes you happy, then you really aren’t on the Savior’s path and your heart hasn’t been changed. Instead of worrying about the world says and what they think, how about people start seeking for God’s approval.

4 Neither is their genealogy to be kept, or to be had where it may be found on any of the records or history of the church.

Even though the Church® has kept our geneology. I think the new website is awesome, but it’s against the commandment of God. Surprised? I was.

5 Their names shall not be found, neither the names of the fathers, nor the names of the children written in the book of the law of God, saith the Lord of Hosts.

6 Yea, thus saith the still small voice, which whispereth through and pierceth all things, and often times it maketh my bones to quake while it maketh manifest, saying:

7 And it shall come to pass that I, the Lord God, will send one mighty and strong, holding the scepter of power in his hand, clothed with light for a covering, whose mouth shall utter words, eternal words; while his bowels shall be a fountain of truth, to set in order the house of God, and to arrange by lot the inheritancesof the saints whose names are found, and the names of their fathers, and of their children, enrolled in the book of the law of God;

8 While that man, who was called of God and appointed, that putteth forth his hand to steady the ark of God, shall fall by the shaft of death, like as a tree that is smitten by the vivid shaft of lightning.

9 And all they who are not found written in the book of remembrance shall find none inheritance in that day, but they shall be cut asunder, and their portion shall be appointed them among unbelievers, where are wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Imagine if we focused on Zion instead of trying to convince other churches that we are Christian. Which to me is as amusing as trying to convince others you are cool.

So all these things that we think are okay and know we are supposed to do, are only to be done in Zion. Well with the attitude that all is well in Zion and that Zion is wherever you hang your hat, then no one is going to feel the dissatisfaction. Everyone can feel comfortable and worry about getting 100% home teaching every month and not watching inappropriate shows on Sunday. There’s a some way more important things we should be talking about during Sunday meetings.

These things aren’t happening and you know they should. Are you going to do what the Lord has commanded us to do, to be a true believer? If not, then entropy will continue to carry you deeper down river to the ocean where there is a major undertow.


In the 133rd section of the Doctrine & Covenants, the Lord has given us two great commandments about the building up of Zion:

Yea, verily . . . the voice of the Lord is unto you:  Go ye out of Babylon. And behold, and lo, this shall be their cry, and the voice of the Lord unto all people:  Go ye forth unto the land of Zion.

Two of the biggest traditions in Mormondom are those regarding the timing and location of Zion. They are traditions based on false ideas. The Doctrine and Covenants contain the commandments and revelations pertaining to Zion. What does it share about the location? Think of your answer, write it down if you want, then read the next scripture…

D&C 101

17 Zion shall not be moved out of her place, notwithstanding her children are scattered.

18 They that remain, and are pure in heart, shall return, and come to their inheritances, they and their children, with songs of everlasting joy, to build up the waste places of Zion

19 And all these things that the prophets might be fulfilled.

20 And, behold, there is none other place appointed than that which I have appointed; neither shall there be any other place appointed than that which I have appointed, for the work of the gathering of my saints—

Hmmm…we’re listening….

Either the Lord was ignorant, lying or Joseph Smith was or this revelation is true. If it is true, which I witness that it is, then Zion is going to be where it was appointed and it isn’t going to be anywhere else. It’s that simple. So where is it?

D&C 57

1 Hearken, O ye elders of my church, saith the Lord your God, who have assembled yourselves together, according to my commandments, in this land, which is the land of Missouri, which is the land which I have appointed and cconsecrated for the gathering of the saints.

2 Wherefore, this is the land of promise, and the bplace for the city of Zion.

3 And thus saith the Lord your God, if you will receive wisdom here is wisdom. Behold, the place which is now called Independence is the center place; and a spot for the temple is lying westward, upon a lot which is not far from the courthouse.

4 Wherefore, it is wisdom that the land should be purchased by the saints, and also every tract lying westward, even unto the line running directly between Jew and Gentile;

5 And also every tract bordering by the prairies, inasmuch as my disciples are enabled to buy lands. Behold, this is wisdom, that they may obtain it for an everlasting inheritance.

I think of Jim Carey on Dumb and Dumber when he hands the kidnapper friend the IOU for the Lamborghini, “might want to hang on to that one.” skip to 35 seconds 

But what about what we hear in general conference? Well are you going to follow the counsel of a church leader when (s)he contradicts revelations and commandments that contain “saith the Lord your God.”

Mathew 15

13 But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.

 14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

It would be good if the president of the church was a seer…we sustain him as such. If he is not a seer, he can still be president since we sustain him as such and he possesses the keys. That is why they call them blind. They are not seers. A seer has the fruits of a seer. There have not been any of those fruits by someone leading the LDS church in a long, long time.

Instead we end up with some good teachings like FHE and such, but lack the necessary ones that are great and help us to reestablish Zion.

Ezekiel 13:33 Thus saith the Lord God; Woe unto the foolish prophets, that follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing!

This goes perfectly with the purpose of Zion and the lack of manifestations of the Spirit. Don’t be shocked that I claim prophets as foolish, God himself did so. Will you listen to Him?! There are prophets that are foolish. I’m foolish too. It’s not the end of the world when you realize the General Authorities are not perfect and everything they say from the pulpit isn’t divinely inspired. Do you hold prophets as infallible? Well there are foolish prophets. Our time is not exempt from such occurrences. We can even look back 100 years ago and say, “whoa, that was way off.” Its going on today as well. It always has. That is why we have the Holy Ghost.

Are we going to continue to follow the prophets and other leaders who are not seeking to establish the city of Zion or the follow them as they establish the city of Salt Lake City.

To me, a great example for us to follow is that of Nephi. When everyone was murmuring and had lost hope, even his father Lehi, the prophet had given up. But Nephi went out, did the right thing and asked his father to step up. This is a great example and very aplicalbe to all of us.

1 Nephi 16

21 Now it came to pass that I, Nephi, having been afflicted with my brethren because of the loss of my bow, and their bows having lost their springs, it began to be exceedingly difficult, yea, insomuch that we could obtain no food.

22 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, did speak much unto my brethren, because they had hardened their hearts again, even unto complaining against the Lord their God.

23 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, did make out of wood a bow, and out of a straight stick, an arrow; wherefore, I did arm myself with a bow and an arrow, with a sling and with stones. And I said unto my father: Whither shall I go to obtain food?

The Lord does not want us to be reliant upon others to follow his commandments. The Valient are the ones who will be with Him again. Like Nephi, we need to step up and do the right thing, even if others don’t. We need to do everything we can to establish Zion and then hopefully the leaders will step up too. They are people, they have weaknesses and incorrect things written on their belief windows (I’ll talk about this in another post).

Everyone else was in the same boat as Lehi. Nephi was strong and saved his whole family and so many more. So are you going to persevere and go against the current and follow the Spirit?


Joseph Smith

If Zion will not purify herself, so as to be approved of in all things, in His sight, He will seek another people; for His work will go on until Israel is gathered, and they who will not hear His voice, must expect to feel His wrath. Let me say unto you, seek to purify yourselves, and also all the inhabitants of Zion, lest the Lord’s anger be kindled to fierceness. Repent, repent, is the voice of God to Zion; and strange as it may appear, yet it is true, mankind will persist in self-justification until all their iniquity is exposed, and their character past being redeemed, and that which is treasured up in their hearts be exposed to the gaze of mankind. I say to you (and what I say to you I say to all), hear the warning voice of God, lest Zion fall, and the Lord swear in His wrath the inhabitants of Zion shall not enter into His rest.

We don’t have all day. We can’t just wait. People will look at two scriptures as reasons too not buld Zion. But when it is read with the other scriptures, it means something completely different. Taking things out of context doesn’t work.

Joseph Smith H.C. 5:65

In regard to the building up of Zion, it has to be done by the counsel of Jehovah, by the revelations of heaven.

For us, it already has. We have the revelations they were waiting for. And…….go!

Joseph Smith

Anyplace where the Saints gather is Zion, which every righteous man will build up for a place of safety for his children.

It goes back to what is a saint and a believer. They will follow His command. If not, and they go somewhere else then they aren’t going t build a place of safety because, “they who will not hear His voice, must expect to feel His wrath.”H.C. 1:316

One of the other biggest fallacies taught with Zion (other than that it is not a single location) is when.

D&C 101

16 Therefore, let your hearts be comforted concerning Zion; for all flesh is in mine hands; be still and know that I am God.

17 Zion shall not be moved out of her place, notwithstanding her children are scattered.

18 They that remain, and are pure in heart, shall return, and come to their inheritances, they and their children, with songs of everlasting joy, to build up the waste places of Zion—

19 And all these things that the prophets might be fulfilled.

20 And, behold, there is none other place appointed than that which I have appointed; neither shall there be any other place appointed than that which I have appointed, for the work of the gathering of my saints—

21 Until the day cometh when there is found no more room for them; and then I have other places which I will appoint unto them, and they shall be called stakes, for the curtains or the strength of Zion.

That’s the place. It’s important to read the whole section, so nothing is out of context and the journal of discourses and history of the church. That way you can see the picture better.

I included verse 21 because someone might read that alone and say, “See! When there is no more room. Well there is no more room because they were chased out.” But the verses before reject that interpretation. It says that “Zion shall not be moved out of her place, notwithstanding her children are scattered.” So being scattered and persecuted and chased out does not qualify as “no more room for them.”

Boyd Packer at conference just stated that the end isn’t any time soon. He may be referring to the end after the millennium, which duh, won’t be around for at least a thousand years of the Lord’s personal reign. But of course it isn’t soon, before he can come, Zion must be established. Here’s why… People are waiting for blind leaders to guide them. The thing is, it has already been given.

Nothing says that we are to wait. Just that it would take a season before people went back to redeem it. It’s up to us to reestablish Zion now.


I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. -Joseph Smith

Smith taught that the people of Zion would have all things in common, and would not allow others in their community to suffer because of the principles of love, unselfishness, and work for the common good which would be imbued in the individuals capable of maintaining such a society. Zion therefore stands in contrast to proverbial Babylon, where wickedness, disunity, and poverty prevail. -Todd Christofferson

Looking historically, at all the times, peoples have established their lands through tribal methods. For more on this, check out an abundance on the subject LDSAnarchy. My brother brought the subject up to me years ago after his mission. He quoted Joseph Smith saying something along the lines that if he taught the whole gospel, the members would call him a blasphemer. Joseph knew the consequences and goals of Zion, in saying “I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world.” One of the issues is that it was too hard to reveal it as it is because the people were too entrenched in their own ideas of religious systems and to break that down completely would have been too much for them. One of the issues is that the true followers of Christ have predominantly been found in tribal worship(Abraham, Jared, Lehi, etc).

2 Nephi 10:22

For behold, the Lord God has led away from time to time from the house of Israel, according to his will and pleasure. And now behold, the Lord remembereth all them who have been broken off, wherefore he remembereth us also.

Why the religious systems don’t work? Well there are plenty of good blogs to let us know why. Much of the work to be done in establishing Zion consists in our individual efforts to become “the pure in heart”

D&C 97:21

Zion cannot be built up unless it is by the principles of the law of the celestial kingdom…otherwise I cannot receive her unto myself

Orson Pratt

They have strayed so far that to get a people who would conform to heavenly laws it may be needful to lead some from the midst of this people and commence anew somewhere.

Orson Pratt

This is plain preaching, and perhaps some of you will not like it. I can not help it, these are the things that present themselves before my mind. There must be a reformation, there will be a reformation among this people, for God will not cast off this kingdom and this people, but he will plead with the strong ones of Zion, he will plead with this people, he will plead with those in high places, he will plead with the Priesthood of this Church, until Zion shall become clean before him.

Reformations don’t just magically appear/occur. They are started by reformers. Any signs of a reformation from what people hear at general conference? I haven’t. The only reformation I know of is occurring through individuals in different places and sharing that through the internet. It is happening. We are in the midst of a reformation. It is easy to look back and see Calvin and Luther and say, “yes, they were great and did the right thing.” But those in the mainstream persecuted them, were offended and fought them. That’s the nature of a reformation. As the author of Finding Mormonism teaches,

“All truth is Mormonism.” I believe Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, and John Taylor all made statements resembling that. It is a very inclusive and marvelous statement. But somehow, somewhere along the way, that message got inverted, i.e., “Mormonism is truth” or “Mormonism is [the only] truth”, and despite the millions of Latter-day Saints that may cling to that, I don’t think it’s what the early Latter-day prophets had in mind; such does not manifest itself in their personalities. ”

D&C 119- Wait, that is the section for tithing? Yup. It’s the section for the law of consecration and tithing is in it because tithing is part of the law of consecration. Read the whole section and the links I put in earlier this post. The law of consecration is necessary for Zion to be. Section 119 explains it very plainly. So many blessings and promises are dependant upon it. This requires another post, but you should look into it.


I see the Amish as great really the only major group of real Christians. They are the closest thing to Zion. In the early days, it was the all-but-forgotten 2nd counselor Jesse Gause to Joseph Smith, a former Amish man, who was a big reason behind Zion and the United Order. Yet the LDS church as a whole is nowhere near where they are at.

One of the major issues I have found is “In vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men” (Matthew 15:9).

It’s very important to make sure we teach the commandments of God and not things we hold as commandments that are really those of men.

To me one of the most important essentials of Zion, is attitude.

To me Zion is something to be excited about. Maybe I’ve watched too many movies where people speak of legendary cities and peoples in awe. But I feel that same thing about Zion. It’s a place I want to tell my children bed time stories about. Just as the pilgrims felt going to America. Not just a legend, but a place we are going to…soon.

Todd Christofferson:

Zion is Zion because of the character, attributes, and faithfulness of her citizens.  Remember, “the Lord called his people Zion, because they were of one heart and one mind, and dwelt in righteousness; and there was no poor among them” (Moses 7:18) . . . .  We cannot wait until Zion comes for these things to happen-Zion will come only as they happen.

Now you’ve heard the commandments, revelations and doctrines of Christ. Are you going to follow them? Will you leave Babylon and go to Zion? I am going. Anyone else who wants to go and has honest desires, I will do whatever I can to help you on that journey. If you need to take some time and search this out…Good! If you are ready…Great! When you are ready or anyone you know is, let me know, please.


5 thoughts on “Zion

  1. Thanks.
    Ya, that talk by Pratt is awesome. How is that not passed around more?
    Thanks for the link to Nibley’s book. From what I’ve seen in looking around blogs and websites about Zion, Approaching Zion is popular. I’ll start reading that this week.

  2. Rob, you are absolutely right. Don’t let anyone talk you out of this. This is the last call to get the hell out of Babylon. People around the globe are figuring it out. The Mormons were supposed to spearhead this, but sadly we’re only a trickle. It doesn’t matter. It’s time to embark on our “real” mission. We, the Mormons, have the tools to put it all in perspective, and that’s what the world lacks. I agree with nearly everything you said. You have prophesied and I will bear witness here and now that what you say is true. “In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.” I’m astonished you’ve linked to my blog…yet another small miracle, because I don’t talk about these things often there, but I do talk about them extensively elsewhere, usually at the Mormon Transhumanist Association. Many are called, but few are chosen. Those of us who have risen to the call mustn’t lose sight of one another. We’re few and far between. It’s time for yet another gathering. Let’s plan.

  3. Pingback: Why I am Going to Zion | Going To Zion

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